Sudden Death!! Plants Yellowing!!!, Updated, nutrient starved Options

[theac74]

OK let me see if I can cover the bases on this so you all will know whats going on and can diagnose for me. These are the cuttings I took back in early Jan. not sure of exact date but somewhere around the first week. I have lost 5 so far and 1 of them was doing alright until yesterday and overnight the whole thing went yellow so I repotted it. All of the others that are living are still putting off those funky looking leaves that you get when cloned during bloom but they have been back under 24hrs. of light since cloned? It seems like they are stuck in this phase of growth for some reason and I dont know why. So here are the paticulars on the 2 that are yellowing: In miracle grow potting mix, have not given any nutes yet, 1 is in 1gal. pot and the other is in 3gal bucket for port. scrog., strain is the Indica strain grown last grow-no problems then Skunk x Orange Crush, water ph is 6.7 soil unknown. Any advice about why they are still in flower and the 2 yellowing is appreciated. Thanks peeps!!
P.S. I just ordered a botnicare 25 site cloner to avoid this BS from now on!!

[shakey pete]

First one looks fried by nutrients?
The others look ok?
Up pot them into some neutral soil mix, the Miracle grow is hot with nutrients and the more you water , the more nutrients released to the plants. Anyone here that has used miracle grow products in their past has had issues. Get rid of it!!!

Cheers

Shakey Pete

[Shimmy]

Its tough to tell exactly from those pics, I'm going to respectfully disagree with Shakey, I think the first one looks to me like its nute deficient. MG soil I used once, I ended up with good results in the end, but that shit is not good for weed. You will have to first of all start putting some crushed up epsom salt in with your watering, mg soil seems to have no magnesium in it, pot love that nute the most. Not knowing the ph of the soil is a problem, your nutes might be locked, pot likes between 6.2 and 6.8 to find it yummies, adding dolomite lime to your potting mix in the beginning is a good idea for not only controlling ph but for magnesium too. I would not freak out yet, none of those plants look like they can't recover in a week or two, sometimes it can take a long time for those retarded flowering leaves to switch back, that is quite stressful on a plant, but they will grow out of it. Let the plants dry out most of the way before watering they, get them some magnesium and start using a very low dose of good nutes, start really slow though, also try to pick up a soil probe at any garden center to check that ph, mg soil is usually intended for bedding flowers and shit like that, not pot, but you can still pull this off, I know because I did it once many moons ago, ended up fine. Consider yourself lucky in a way, you will learn some shit. Peace

[theac74]

Thanks guys it prob is the MG soil but I live in shit kick, hillbilly damn hooterville and you cant go get any old thing at the local piggly wiggly!! I have to drive 30 mins just to get MG, lol!! I know I can order whatever online and thats what I am going to do!! I would try to mix my own but theres nothing but red clay for soil here, not even farmers can make it on it!! I have always used MG soil for a LONG time for seedlings and all but something just isnt right about this whole deal. I am going to re- pot in soil from last grow and start a low nute dose after 3-4 days in new soil. Thanks again everyone!!

[shakey pete]

theac74

Any "home depot "or "Wallmart garden center"or other hardware type store of this type will carry "Sunshine mix" which is way better, more neutral, and probably cheaper than "Miracle crap"!!

Cheers

Shakey Pete

[theac74]

theac74

Any "home depot "or "Wallmart garden center"or other hardware type store of this type will carry "Sunshine mix" which is way better, more neutral, and probably cheaper than "Miracle crap"!!

Cheers

Shakey Pete

I will definatly give it a try, thanks shakey!!

[Shimmy]

AC, yes I wouldn't do it again, but you can pull this off, you'll just learn a lot about certain deficiencies most likely, I would try to flush the soil with Clearex to get a lot of that mg out of it, order it online and have it rushed if you can afford it, or flush with plain water as much as they can take, then start low dosing with good and complete nutes, your plants may be slowed, but only by a week or two I think, when I used the miracle grow, I was able to straighten out the mess with flushing, foliar feeding epsom salt for magnesium and a complete fertilizer, I think at the time I was using maxi-grow, which is actually a very nice formula thats complete. I know you can do this!

[shakey pete]

theac74

I would not try flushing when you are using MG products. I believe, the more you water/flush, the more the nutients are released and the more you WILL burn your plants.

Cheers

Shakey Pete

[Shimmy]

theac74

I would not try flushing when you are using MG products. I believe, the more you water/flush, the more the nutients are released and the more you WILL burn your plants.

Cheers

Shakey Pete

You could be right shakey, but it worked for me before....never know, I believe it will be best to flush with clearex though. AC has no choice but to try something here, he's stuck with the MG for now. There's no clear strategy thats a winner at this point, but if the soil is locked flushing will help, if he flushes heavy those salts will pass. Again just what worked for me, after four weeks of veg, my plants were fine and I fed them with other things and the harvest was bountiful, all the plants produced well. And I learned a shitload about nutes. Peace.

[theac74]

I think I will get high and then pick a way out of this never ending bullshit!! I think I am going to move to a MMJ state so I can go to the corner and just pick up what i need!! This sucks, sucks, suckedy suck, suck, sucks!! I have never had these problems outdoors for 17yrs. I used MG soil and MG for nutes and given I didnt grow any trees but not all this!! I cant believe the difference between indoor and outdoor, dif. pest, diseases and everything is totally almost opposite, totally amazing!! I am definatly sure glad I joined into this forum so i can be coddled thru this!! Thanks guys!!

[theac74]

Well I found that the ones yellowing were nutrient starved. After a low dose they have started regaining color, Thanks guys!! The others are still stuck in the never ending bud zone and I guess the only remedy is patience. When you start from seed do you not go into flower before cloning to avoid cloning males or how do you more experienced growers avoid this rut?

[Shimmy]

Well I found that the ones yellowing were nutrient starved. After a low dose they have started regaining color, Thanks guys!! The others are still stuck in the never ending bud zone and I guess the only remedy is patience. When you start from seed do you not go into flower before cloning to avoid cloning males or how do you more experienced growers avoid this rut?

I never flower before cloning and labeling, and I never flower before the plant pre-flowers to save space, males usually show their balls first, thats just how I do it, some succeed at flowering cloning, I'm just not one of them and I don't like to look at that retarded growth, it just bugs me, its like an OCD thing, seems like it bothers you too. Plants almost always will pre-sex in the 5-7th week of vegetative growth, and even though you can flower a plant from even seedling stage, I believe your yield is better once the plant is sexually mature, i.e. when it shows pre-flowers and begins to alternatively branch. Peace bro.

[theac74]

Exactamundo!! I cant stand looking at that funky crap!! I just dont have the experience with preflowers to cull males plus I know I'd be nervous as hell throwing one out before seening the actual pollen sacs! thanks for the guidence there Shimmy it is appreciated!!